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Mass killings, one of the main subjects of this web forum. Due to the uncomfortable truth that well, future mass murderers tend to be interested in mass murderers, discussing it can be a dangerous game. Due to that fact, as well as increasing censorship of the Internet, particularly gore, and a justified desire by the establishment to prevent future copycat killings through things like the No Notoriety movement and censoring spread of manifestos and the like, discussion of mass killings is prone to censorship.
This post will contain discussion of all conceivable precursors/influences/comparable sites as mass killing discussion forums that I am aware of. And hopefully this will illustrate WHY I started this forum.
I'm not omnipotent, this is just what I know and I only have secondhand experience of many of these sites, so if you recall anything else or I got something wrong, feel free to reply here.
Forums
Usenet
Crime discussion predates the World Wide Web! Before MK Forums or reddit, there was the Usenet board alt.true-crime. I haven't done much digging about it, but it is an interesting artifact.
SpankMe's Forums, later the Murder forums, aka spankme-forums.dynu.com aka massmurder.zyns.com (2001-2004)
This one seems ill-known, I stumbled upon it totally on accident. It is the oldest forum I can find devoted to this topic. The original iteration of the forum, SpankMe's Forums, was devoted to three things (order replicated from the site): mass murder, porn, automobiles, and gaming. Porn was the most active section, with mass killings coming in second place. Related to the site, Spanky had "SpankMe's Mass Murder", a site about mass killings. At some point (late 2002 or early 2003, he shut down the forum and started a new forum called the Murder forums. In late 2004, he shut down the Murder forums for unspecified reasons, though kept the Mass Murder website running for at least five months longer. It had a few hundred members and a few thousand posts at the time of its deletion. Interestingly it was commented upon by Adam Lanza in 2011, so he was at some point a reader of this website.
I have no clue where SpankMe ended up. SpankMe, whoever he is, is from Auckland, New Zealand and also ran a forum for motorcycles, SV-Forum. It seems to have been established in March 2003, around the same time as the original motorcycle/porn/murder/gaming forum was deleted, so he may have decided to split the website, as these topics attract very different audiences. Maybe he also had porn and gaming versions. Who knows? SV-Forum is still active but appears to have different owners and SpankMe has not been active on it since 2020.
Super Columbine Massacre RPG forum aka SCMRPG aka Shocked Beyond Belief / SBB (2005-2014)
Originally intended to discuss the wildly controversial RPGMaker game Super Columbine Massacre RPG! and hosted on the very same website (www.columbinegame.com/discuss/). Despite the name, the vast majority of posts were not about the video game, but the shooting itself. It was primarily aimed at discussing Columbine but allowed discussion of other mass murders. This forum was known for frequent, random purges and mass deletions of content at the whims of its administrator. It is my uninformed opinion that a lot of modern day TCC/True Crime Community culture began here.
In late 2012, the forum changed hands and was renamed Shocked Beyond Belief (SBB aka www.shockedbeyondbelief.com/discuss/), named after a quote from the Columbine shooters. The domain expired in 2014 and the site disappeared. Adam Lanza was infamously, a user of this website, under the name Smiggles.
Documenting Reality (2006-present)
Documenting Reality, established 2006, is nominally a "true crime" forum, but is more of a gore forum. There is some discussion of crimes there. You have to pay to join. Bobby Crimo was a user. They have a very cliquish community and I have never heard anything good come from there. Then again, I've never used it.
Columbine High School Massacre Discussion Forum (2013-present)
The successor to SBB, founded by former members of SBB. I have very mixed feelings on this forum. I have no clue how their website hasn't been deleted, because they're not self-hosted, they exist on a rinky-dink ProBoards wannabe called Forumotion. It sucks. Anyone using it can testify to the fact that the software SUCKS. I have an account there but I never made more than a handful of posts because I was wary of the hosting situation. I have no grudge against them tho.
r/Masskillers aka r/MK aka arr slash mass killers (2018-present)
Probably the major place for discussing this nowadays. There are large amounts of Lore for this subreddit, which is probably worthy of its own post, so here I will be brief. A handful of its users, though far fewer than you would expect, have committed crimes themselves, most substantially Jonathan Sapirman, who was a pretty frequent poster. More strongly beginning in 2023, though really after Christchurch, Reddit cracked down HARD on gore and perpetrator-related content and has only cracked down harder since. This has made having many kinds of discussions there difficult, as manifestos, a lot of random material based on Reddit's whims, and gore are all banned.
It's very hard to have good discussion nowadays due to an influx of the Totally Brain Dead and also Reddit's increased censorship. I have no gripe with the current administration of r/MK, they're alright (I messaged them asking them if I could shill my website there and they said no. It was probably for the best) but there's only so much they can do when Reddit nukes you at the drop of a hat. It's a miracle the subreddit exists at all, as Reddit could and might nuke it at any second.
WatchPeopleDie.tv (2022-present)
WatchPeopleDie.tv, formerly WatchPeopleDie.co, is an offsite of a Reddit community, the long banned r/WatchPeopleDie, nuked after the 2019 Christchurch shooting for posting the livestream. They are a gore forum and are an indirect spinoff of the drama site rDrama and the software suite of rDrama; rDrama is itself an offsite of the banned reddit community r/drama. The cat themeing was stolen from rDrama which itself stole it from some Telegram sticker pack. WatchPeopleDie has long since eclipsed its mother and has an inexplicably large amount of users. Uses a threaded Reddit-style layout.
There is a lot of discussion of mass murder due to it being a gore forum but very little of the discussion is good. But boy can you find murder videos. Several of their users have committed violent crimes, though attempts to blame them for this is stupid, it is just a very popular website.
Non-Forums
Amok Wiki (2015?-2023/2025)
Amok Wiki was a Fandom Wiki (previously a Wikia Wiki) about mass murder. If you know anything about Fandom Wiki, it isn't surprising that it is no longer. It was established by Lord Gon (who, unsurprisingly, had at one time communicated with Adam Lanza) who was a prolific Wikipedia editor on the subject of mass murder. The site seems to have been born from his frustration over Wikipedia deleting his articles due to their BS notability rules. It was established by 2015 but it might have been earlier.
Fandom is the worst. Do not ever host a Wiki on fandom. Presumably it was deleted for one of making the advertisers mad, or for having no active administrators, or for being too spicy. Fandom will delete anything for any reason. Bizarrely, presumably after Lord Gon complained, it was opened again in 2024. They then closed it again in early 2025. Juraj Krajcik, the 2022 Bratislava shooter, edited there a handful of times, so I do wonder if that had something to do with it.
I have a copy of its text content and pages that was given to me by someone who archived it, dated to mid-2023, so it isn't totally lost, but the images are gone, unfortunately. I was planning to reinstate it myself and I got a MediaWiki instance set up some years ago but but at the time I was too busy. If this forum gets enough of an audience / userbase and I am sure about the future of the hosting situation I might bring the Wiki back if there is support for it.
Encyclopedia Dramatica (2004-present)
An edgy wiki about Internet drama. In relevance to Internet drama, it has basically been entirely supplanted by Kiwi Farms — which can probably be best understood as an ED spinoff — but exists and has some editors. It has been deplatformed numerous times and has gone through more URLs than anyone can count. It is currently (at the time of me writing this, June 2026) up at edramatica.com. Its forums are here.
Now, why is this edgy drama forum relevant to a mass killing discussion site? Because of their infamous "high score list" and their articles on many mass murderers. 2017 Aztec killer William Atchison used the site, and even was a sysop, under the username AlGore, and spammed his school shooter obsession into dozens of their pages. His fanboys continued after his death. This has met with irritation among their ranks.
This post will contain discussion of all conceivable precursors/influences/comparable sites as mass killing discussion forums that I am aware of. And hopefully this will illustrate WHY I started this forum.
I'm not omnipotent, this is just what I know and I only have secondhand experience of many of these sites, so if you recall anything else or I got something wrong, feel free to reply here.
Forums
Usenet
Crime discussion predates the World Wide Web! Before MK Forums or reddit, there was the Usenet board alt.true-crime. I haven't done much digging about it, but it is an interesting artifact.
SpankMe's Forums, later the Murder forums, aka spankme-forums.dynu.com aka massmurder.zyns.com (2001-2004)
This one seems ill-known, I stumbled upon it totally on accident. It is the oldest forum I can find devoted to this topic. The original iteration of the forum, SpankMe's Forums, was devoted to three things (order replicated from the site): mass murder, porn, automobiles, and gaming. Porn was the most active section, with mass killings coming in second place. Related to the site, Spanky had "SpankMe's Mass Murder", a site about mass killings. At some point (late 2002 or early 2003, he shut down the forum and started a new forum called the Murder forums. In late 2004, he shut down the Murder forums for unspecified reasons, though kept the Mass Murder website running for at least five months longer. It had a few hundred members and a few thousand posts at the time of its deletion. Interestingly it was commented upon by Adam Lanza in 2011, so he was at some point a reader of this website.
I have no clue where SpankMe ended up. SpankMe, whoever he is, is from Auckland, New Zealand and also ran a forum for motorcycles, SV-Forum. It seems to have been established in March 2003, around the same time as the original motorcycle/porn/murder/gaming forum was deleted, so he may have decided to split the website, as these topics attract very different audiences. Maybe he also had porn and gaming versions. Who knows? SV-Forum is still active but appears to have different owners and SpankMe has not been active on it since 2020.
Super Columbine Massacre RPG forum aka SCMRPG aka Shocked Beyond Belief / SBB (2005-2014)
Originally intended to discuss the wildly controversial RPGMaker game Super Columbine Massacre RPG! and hosted on the very same website (www.columbinegame.com/discuss/). Despite the name, the vast majority of posts were not about the video game, but the shooting itself. It was primarily aimed at discussing Columbine but allowed discussion of other mass murders. This forum was known for frequent, random purges and mass deletions of content at the whims of its administrator. It is my uninformed opinion that a lot of modern day TCC/True Crime Community culture began here.
In late 2012, the forum changed hands and was renamed Shocked Beyond Belief (SBB aka www.shockedbeyondbelief.com/discuss/), named after a quote from the Columbine shooters. The domain expired in 2014 and the site disappeared. Adam Lanza was infamously, a user of this website, under the name Smiggles.
Documenting Reality (2006-present)
Documenting Reality, established 2006, is nominally a "true crime" forum, but is more of a gore forum. There is some discussion of crimes there. You have to pay to join. Bobby Crimo was a user. They have a very cliquish community and I have never heard anything good come from there. Then again, I've never used it.
Columbine High School Massacre Discussion Forum (2013-present)
The successor to SBB, founded by former members of SBB. I have very mixed feelings on this forum. I have no clue how their website hasn't been deleted, because they're not self-hosted, they exist on a rinky-dink ProBoards wannabe called Forumotion. It sucks. Anyone using it can testify to the fact that the software SUCKS. I have an account there but I never made more than a handful of posts because I was wary of the hosting situation. I have no grudge against them tho.
r/Masskillers aka r/MK aka arr slash mass killers (2018-present)
Probably the major place for discussing this nowadays. There are large amounts of Lore for this subreddit, which is probably worthy of its own post, so here I will be brief. A handful of its users, though far fewer than you would expect, have committed crimes themselves, most substantially Jonathan Sapirman, who was a pretty frequent poster. More strongly beginning in 2023, though really after Christchurch, Reddit cracked down HARD on gore and perpetrator-related content and has only cracked down harder since. This has made having many kinds of discussions there difficult, as manifestos, a lot of random material based on Reddit's whims, and gore are all banned.
It's very hard to have good discussion nowadays due to an influx of the Totally Brain Dead and also Reddit's increased censorship. I have no gripe with the current administration of r/MK, they're alright (I messaged them asking them if I could shill my website there and they said no. It was probably for the best) but there's only so much they can do when Reddit nukes you at the drop of a hat. It's a miracle the subreddit exists at all, as Reddit could and might nuke it at any second.
WatchPeopleDie.tv (2022-present)
WatchPeopleDie.tv, formerly WatchPeopleDie.co, is an offsite of a Reddit community, the long banned r/WatchPeopleDie, nuked after the 2019 Christchurch shooting for posting the livestream. They are a gore forum and are an indirect spinoff of the drama site rDrama and the software suite of rDrama; rDrama is itself an offsite of the banned reddit community r/drama. The cat themeing was stolen from rDrama which itself stole it from some Telegram sticker pack. WatchPeopleDie has long since eclipsed its mother and has an inexplicably large amount of users. Uses a threaded Reddit-style layout.
There is a lot of discussion of mass murder due to it being a gore forum but very little of the discussion is good. But boy can you find murder videos. Several of their users have committed violent crimes, though attempts to blame them for this is stupid, it is just a very popular website.
Non-Forums
Amok Wiki (2015?-2023/2025)
Amok Wiki was a Fandom Wiki (previously a Wikia Wiki) about mass murder. If you know anything about Fandom Wiki, it isn't surprising that it is no longer. It was established by Lord Gon (who, unsurprisingly, had at one time communicated with Adam Lanza) who was a prolific Wikipedia editor on the subject of mass murder. The site seems to have been born from his frustration over Wikipedia deleting his articles due to their BS notability rules. It was established by 2015 but it might have been earlier.
Fandom is the worst. Do not ever host a Wiki on fandom. Presumably it was deleted for one of making the advertisers mad, or for having no active administrators, or for being too spicy. Fandom will delete anything for any reason. Bizarrely, presumably after Lord Gon complained, it was opened again in 2024. They then closed it again in early 2025. Juraj Krajcik, the 2022 Bratislava shooter, edited there a handful of times, so I do wonder if that had something to do with it.
I have a copy of its text content and pages that was given to me by someone who archived it, dated to mid-2023, so it isn't totally lost, but the images are gone, unfortunately. I was planning to reinstate it myself and I got a MediaWiki instance set up some years ago but but at the time I was too busy. If this forum gets enough of an audience / userbase and I am sure about the future of the hosting situation I might bring the Wiki back if there is support for it.
Encyclopedia Dramatica (2004-present)
An edgy wiki about Internet drama. In relevance to Internet drama, it has basically been entirely supplanted by Kiwi Farms — which can probably be best understood as an ED spinoff — but exists and has some editors. It has been deplatformed numerous times and has gone through more URLs than anyone can count. It is currently (at the time of me writing this, June 2026) up at edramatica.com. Its forums are here.
Now, why is this edgy drama forum relevant to a mass killing discussion site? Because of their infamous "high score list" and their articles on many mass murderers. 2017 Aztec killer William Atchison used the site, and even was a sysop, under the username AlGore, and spammed his school shooter obsession into dozens of their pages. His fanboys continued after his death. This has met with irritation among their ranks.
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